Betsy Woodruff, politics reporter at the Daily Beast, joined Mary Katharine Ham on the Federalist Radio Hour to talk about Obama lifting an arms embargo in Vietnam and to break down what’s going on inside both the Trump and Clinton campaigns.

Kristen Soltis Anderson, columnist at The Washington Examiner, also joined to give an update on the latest polls reporting both candidates extremely high unfavorable ratings.

Earlier this week Obama announced U.S. companies can sell weapons to Vietnam, and lobbyists connected to Hillary Clinton may have something to do with it. “It certainly shows that if you a despotic government and you’ve got a million bucks in the bank, you can hire some of Hillary Clinton’s best friends to grease the skids for you,” Woodruff said.

Between Paul Manafort, Rick Wiley, and Corey Lewandowski, the Trump campaign staff seem chaotic both behind the scenes and in their messaging. “It’s hard figuring out if there is any organizing principle of the campaign, because it just feels like such a crapshoot at this point,” Woodruff said. “This is how surreal this entire race is: there’s not normal expectations for this campaign.”