On today’s episode of Modern Notion Daily, our guest is David Talbot, the former CEO and editor-in-chief of Salon.com. Talbot has written a new book, The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government (Harper, October 2015). Dulles was the director of the CIA until President John F. Kennedy fired him; and now there’s evidence to suggest that Dulles might have been behind the plot to kill the president. But perhaps even more persistent in Dulles’s legacy is his role in creating a “deep government,” operating outside the bounds of democracy within our country.

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